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moreover the next six weeks, and over and over again, you will hear my opponents talking about how bigger tax cuts and fewer regulations and that's the way to go, and since government can't do anything, it should do almost nothing. if you can't afford health care, then hope you don't get sick is their theory. if you can't afford colleg borrow money from your parents. you know what? that's not who we are. i don't think government can solve all of our problems, but government is nothe source of all of our problems, either. there's stuff we can do together. instead of blaming, immigrants, unions or gays or somebody for what is going on, what we need to do is pull together. we're all in this together. we believe that america only works when we all accept responsibility for ourselves and for our each other. that's how we create -- >> mr. obama will be on the road through wednesday's first presidential debate. mitt romney heads to colorado tomorrow where he will hold a rally and continue his preparations for wednesday's showdown in denver. he went to church this morning outside boston but held no p
moreover the next six weeks, and over and over again, you will hear my opponents talking about how bigger tax cuts and fewer regulations and that's the way to go, and since government can't do anything, it should do almost nothing. if you can't afford health care, then hope you don't get sick is their theory. if you can't afford colleg borrow money from your parents. you know what? that's not who we are. i don't think government can solve all of our problems, but government is nothe source of...
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. >> the term has been more than usually taxing. some have called it the term of the century. >> reporter: now three months later the court is back. there are no signs of it cooling down. >> the justices are moving from the frying pan right into the fire. they are tackling some of the most difficult legal questions of the day. across the board probably the biggest term in at least a decade. >> reporter: cases involving the contentious issues of affirmative action, same-sex marriage, voting rights and abortion are all likely to come up this term which kicks off monday. >> there's some very exciting cases already on the docket. there's a lot more in the pipeline that may -- the courts could be making a decision on soon. >> reporter: another set of big decisions will bring even more scrutiny on the chief justice. rumors surfaced that the health care ruling he authored caused a personal rift with fellow conservative colleagues including justice antonin scalia. >> no. i haven't had a falling out with justice roberts. >> no words exchange
. >> the term has been more than usually taxing. some have called it the term of the century. >> reporter: now three months later the court is back. there are no signs of it cooling down. >> the justices are moving from the frying pan right into the fire. they are tackling some of the most difficult legal questions of the day. across the board probably the biggest term in at least a decade. >> reporter: cases involving the contentious issues of affirmative action,...
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the tax base works. and you can -- >> but i have to -- >> no. >> but you haven't given me the math. i don't have the -- it would ta me too long to go through all the math. >> too long to go through the math, he says. but ryan did go on to hint, didn't promise, but he hinted that a romney administration would look at tax loopholes enjoyed by the wealthy. here's that. >> when you close a tax write-off or tax shelter for a higher income person, more of their income is subject to taxation so you can lower tax rates. that's where we begin. where we go is by denying those deductions and loopholes to higher income people, which allows us to lower tax rates for everybody across the board and still afford important preferences for the middle class taxpayers. >> there you have paul ryan on taxes. we expect some of the comments to pop up come wednesday night during the debate in denver, the very first presidential debate here of this election season. and i want to go to chief white house correspondent jessica yelli
the tax base works. and you can -- >> but i have to -- >> no. >> but you haven't given me the math. i don't have the -- it would ta me too long to go through all the math. >> too long to go through the math, he says. but ryan did go on to hint, didn't promise, but he hinted that a romney administration would look at tax loopholes enjoyed by the wealthy. here's that. >> when you close a tax write-off or tax shelter for a higher income person, more of their income is...
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last four years, how in lord's name can they justify raising their taxes with these tax cuts. >> dan, look, there is plenty of fodder for this debate without that. but since that is so 11th hour, is that expected to be played up heavily tonight? >> i don't think the obama campaign doesn't think this will be a distraction, but perhaps this will be something that governor mitt romney will jump on at some point during the debate. it is interesting, the vice president made those comments yesterday while campaigning in north carolina. and right after that, the romney campaign jumped all over those remarks. in fact, they put together a conference call to draw attention to that. the obama campaign fighting back saying that's an act of desperation and what the vice president was talking about is that there was this climate over the last four years that were created by decisions that were made in the previous administration. and so, again, they don't see it as a distraction, but i wouldn't be surprised if it didn't come up tonight. >> all right, dan lothian, live for us in denver, a long day
last four years, how in lord's name can they justify raising their taxes with these tax cuts. >> dan, look, there is plenty of fodder for this debate without that. but since that is so 11th hour, is that expected to be played up heavily tonight? >> i don't think the obama campaign doesn't think this will be a distraction, but perhaps this will be something that governor mitt romney will jump on at some point during the debate. it is interesting, the vice president made those...
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federal income tax, federal payroll tax, state income tax, state sales tax, state property tax, gasoline tax added up to well over 50% of what they earned. your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs. i don't want to cost jobs. my priority is jobs. so what i do is i bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions, the same idea behind bowles-simpson, by the way. lower the exemptions to create more jobs because there's nothing better for getting us to a balanced budget than having more people working, earning more money, paying more taxes. that's by far the most effective and efficient way to get this budget balanced. >> jim, you may want to move on to another topic, but i would just say this to the american people. if you believe that we can cut taxes by $5 trillion and add $2 trillion in additional spending that the military is not asking for, $7 trillion, just to give you a sense over ten years, that's more than our entire defense budget, and you think
federal income tax, federal payroll tax, state income tax, state sales tax, state property tax, gasoline tax added up to well over 50% of what they earned. your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs. i don't want to cost jobs. my priority is jobs. so what i do is i bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions, the same idea behind bowles-simpson, by the way....
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tax cut across the board. mitt romney never specified the deductions that he discusses and doesn't give specifications on, to say i don't have a tax cut is surreal and the president with malpractice not pushing back on that and demanding specifics. >> some of the president's supporters said he needed a cup of coffee or two after watching that. let's listen to this from the president, guys and then, john, i want your thoughts on this one. >> does anybody out there think that the big problem we had is that there was too much oversight and regulation of wall street? because if you do, then governor romney is your candidate. >> did he, john, miss an opportunity to go further with the banks there? >> i mean, that was one of i think president obama's better lines in the debate because he was calling out in a limited way and halting way all of a sudden mitt romney saying that the problem with the dodd-frank was that it was a big kiss to the new york banks which is itself a surreal etch-a-sketch moment. the president
tax cut across the board. mitt romney never specified the deductions that he discusses and doesn't give specifications on, to say i don't have a tax cut is surreal and the president with malpractice not pushing back on that and demanding specifics. >> some of the president's supporters said he needed a cup of coffee or two after watching that. let's listen to this from the president, guys and then, john, i want your thoughts on this one. >> does anybody out there think that the big...
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plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut on top of the extension of the bush tax cuts. that's another trillion dollars and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. >> i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut to add to the deficit. >> now, today, the president is saying, hang on. that's not mitt romney. he says romney's changing the tune on the crucial issue of taxes to make himself sound more centrist. ali velshi is here to make sense of what we heard last night. >> right. >> the first question on the tax cut proposal. the president is saying he's flip flopping. is he proposing $5 trillion in tax cuts? >> so this is a tricky one. what mitt romney is saying is he wants to reduce taxes across the board in every category. wherever you are coming down 20%. if you don't figure out where you're going to make up the taxes from, if you take 20% less from everybody it's over 10 years a $4.9 trillion loss and overstating it a little bit but there's a study that's been done and
plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut on top of the extension of the bush tax cuts. that's another trillion dollars and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. >> i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut to add to the deficit. >> now, today, the president is saying, hang on. that's not mitt romney. he says romney's changing the tune on the crucial issue of taxes to make himself...
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let's stay on taxes. let's just stay on taxes for a moment. what is the difference? >> virtually everything he just said about my tax plan is inaccurate. >> all right. just for the record -- >> worry talking about -- >> just so everybody understands, we are way over our first 15 minutes. >> that's fine, isn't it? >> it's great. no problem. >> the last point i would make -- >> two minutes is up, sir. >> no, i had five seconds before you interrupted me. >> here are the specifics. >> excuse me. >> let's talk the other big. >> no, no, let's not. let's let him respond to this specific on dodd-frank. >> some viewers also wondered why lehrer didn't challenge romney's attack on his own network, pbs. >> i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i love big bird. actually like you, too, but i'm not going to keep on spending money to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> the web went wild for big bird. shame shame. mentions of big bird went up 800,000%. seriously, though. l lehrer with his criticized for not explaining dodd-frank and simpson bowles to the public. obama adviser s
let's stay on taxes. let's just stay on taxes for a moment. what is the difference? >> virtually everything he just said about my tax plan is inaccurate. >> all right. just for the record -- >> worry talking about -- >> just so everybody understands, we are way over our first 15 minutes. >> that's fine, isn't it? >> it's great. no problem. >> the last point i would make -- >> two minutes is up, sir. >> no, i had five seconds before you...
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eastern time. >>> preaching politics from the pulpit, p if it happens churche risk losing tax-exempt status. many religious leaders across the country challenge the law anyway. find out why. he delicious sugar-free vitafusion fiber well gummies have more fiber than other leading brands. they're the better way to enjoy your fiber. . >>> they're calling for the defate of president obama and so-called unbiblical candidates. organizers hoped as many as 1500 pastors across the country would take part today. dan gilgoff joins us from washington to tell us more about what's happening here. dan, who is behind this, and what causes a candidate to be defined as "unbiblical" say some of the pastors? >> there's a conservative evangelical group called alliance defending freedom that organized the event today. what's really kind of incredible about it is this the third year they are challenging pastors to speak out for or against political candidates. what started a few dozen churches participated. this year today there were 1400 pastors who say they are participating. of course, the other big thi
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. >> he was dishonest when he said he never proposed $5 trillion in tax cuts, that was dishonest. you said on the broadcast to 70 million americans, i will repeal obama care, but i will still be able to cover people with pre-existing conditions. ten minutes after the debate sent he someone into the pressroom to say he really didn't mean that. >> reporter: ed gillespie, cop adviser of the romney campaign, eshlsly accusing the obama campaign of being sore losers on abc this morning. he compared them to 7-year-olds that lost the checkers game and cleared the board off the table. fredricka. >> let's talk about the president's plans. he'll be returning to ohio. he spent a lot of time in that swing state feeling that it's particularly vital, much more vital than other swing states like, say, florida? >> reporter: it really is. i mean, in order to win the white house, you really have to be able to win ohio. this is key for the president. i've said this now for quite some time. if you want to know the states critical it to winning the white house or regaining the white house, look at the
. >> he was dishonest when he said he never proposed $5 trillion in tax cuts, that was dishonest. you said on the broadcast to 70 million americans, i will repeal obama care, but i will still be able to cover people with pre-existing conditions. ten minutes after the debate sent he someone into the pressroom to say he really didn't mean that. >> reporter: ed gillespie, cop adviser of the romney campaign, eshlsly accusing the obama campaign of being sore losers on abc this morning....
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vo: why won't romney level with us about his tax plan, which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks? because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? ♪ ♪ we're lucky, it's not every day you find a companion as loyal as a subaru. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. zoirchgs a space rocket blasted off from cape canaveral last night launching the fist private flight from the international space station. >> liftoff of the space x falcon 9 rocket. launching dragon to the international space station and returning cargo -- >> the unmanned capsule called dragon is on its way to the space station after separating from its rocket. it's carrying 1 240us pounds of cargo. the company has been contracted by nasa to fly a dozen flights to resupply the space station. >>> fearless felix, he is also known as felix baumgartner, and he has gotten to be pretty fearless. he actually is going to jump out of a balloon. this is 23 miles above the earth. this is exactly
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. >> i think he was dishonest, absolutely, when he said he never proposed $5 trillion in tax cuts. that was dishonest. he said on the broadcast to 70 million americans, i will repeal obama care but i will still be able to cover people with pre-existing conditions and ten minutes after the debate he sent someone into the press room to say he really didn't mean that. >> reporter: now, ed gillespie, one of mitt romney's top advisers, suggested that the obama campaign was a sore loser. he suggested that they were acting like 7-year-olds who had lost a checkers game and had cleared the entire board off the table, don. >> yeah, no one -- none of them answer the question, at least i didn't hear b why the president didn't say what they're saying now in these interviews, why he didn't do it at the time, and that's the big question. thank you, dan lothian, in los angeles. >>> in four days the vice presidential candidates will go head to head. their job as one strategist put it, do no harm. >> i can see my wife, and i think she's thinking, gee, i wish he had go out to the private sector. >> i
. >> i think he was dishonest, absolutely, when he said he never proposed $5 trillion in tax cuts. that was dishonest. he said on the broadcast to 70 million americans, i will repeal obama care but i will still be able to cover people with pre-existing conditions and ten minutes after the debate he sent someone into the press room to say he really didn't mean that. >> reporter: now, ed gillespie, one of mitt romney's top advisers, suggested that the obama campaign was a sore loser....
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the bush era tax use expire. health reform taxes kick in opinion 88% americans would pay more in taxes. >> how likely do we think the tax increases will kick in. >> cnn money asked 17 economists what do you think whether or not congress can get a deal done in time and the answer was unanimous, all 17 said, you know what? you're not going to go off the fiscal cliff. for them it's just a guess. those economists are putting a lot of faith in congress and the reality is don't expect anything to happen until after the election on november 6th. it's going to come down the wire. the big worry is that we could go into a recession if congress doesn't get their act together in time. >> even if we don't fall off a fiscal cliff, there's a chance that at least some of the tax increases will go into effect. >> exactly. some taxes could still go up even if congress avoid a full fiscal cliff. a good example is the payroll tax credit. expect that to expire no matter what. the reality is there's no champion behind it. the white ho
the bush era tax use expire. health reform taxes kick in opinion 88% americans would pay more in taxes. >> how likely do we think the tax increases will kick in. >> cnn money asked 17 economists what do you think whether or not congress can get a deal done in time and the answer was unanimous, all 17 said, you know what? you're not going to go off the fiscal cliff. for them it's just a guess. those economists are putting a lot of faith in congress and the reality is don't expect...
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vo: why won't romney level with us about his tax plan, which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks? because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? >>> 45 minutes past the hour. one way to grab the undivide attention of undecided voters is to pull a stunt. a public relations stunt more about promoting and selling products than promoting a specific candidate. alison kosik is at the new york stock exchange. pizza hut is involved, free pizza for life. >> isn't that what you've always wanted, a free pizza party for the rest of your life? >> yes! >> you could also choose -- this is an even better option. the $15,000 in cash. if you don't want the pizza. if you want to win one of these things, you have to go rogue. pizza hut wants you to ask mitt romney or president obama, do you like sausage or pepperoni on your peeizza? at the next presidential debate october 16th, a townhall style debate. this could be kind of tough. the questions are typically prescreened
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the payroll tax holiday, that would expire, the health reform taxes, those would kick in. guess what? it would all mean less money in our wallets. carol? >> wow. well, you have to think that when congress looks at those numbers, lawmakers would get together and sing for the good of the american taxpayer. >> well, you know what? they're certainly not doing it before election day, don't count on that, but there is good news. that cnn money asked 17 economists, what do you think? do you think congress will get a deal done in time? and that's unanimous. all 17 said yes. they don't think we're going to go over the fiscal cliff meaning everything all at once won't happen. not to say that little pieces of it won't go away. but remember, this is just a guess. those economists, they're putting a whole heck of a lot of faith in congress. that's taking a leap. and as i said, nothing's expected to happen until after november 6th. get ready for this to come down to the wire, something that congress has done often times, the best at procrastinating, aren't they? and that's a big worry b
the payroll tax holiday, that would expire, the health reform taxes, those would kick in. guess what? it would all mean less money in our wallets. carol? >> wow. well, you have to think that when congress looks at those numbers, lawmakers would get together and sing for the good of the american taxpayer. >> well, you know what? they're certainly not doing it before election day, don't count on that, but there is good news. that cnn money asked 17 economists, what do you think? do...
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how in lord's name can they justify raising their taxes with these tax cuts? >> of course, joe biden went on to clarify. but, ana, paul ryan wasted no time, seizing on those comments. good strategy? >> look, you know, i love joe biden. i don't know how every republican in america doesn't love joe biden. he is a great guy. he's fun. he is the gift that keeps on giving. i miss joe biden. we hadn't heard a gaffe from good old joe in about two or three weeks. it really had been a long time. this is what the campaigns are like today in 2012, unfortunately. we look for gaffes on each other and try to make them real big. i think when joe starts getting earnest, when he starts getting righteous and starts talking about god, watch out, because a zinger is coming out. >> speaking of zingers, the debate spoet supposedly is going to be all about zingers. i can see mitt romney taking that line. i would. maria? >> the problem with that, though, carol, is that if you know joe biden and what he has done in his career, he has actually been one of the strongest spokespersons fo
how in lord's name can they justify raising their taxes with these tax cuts? >> of course, joe biden went on to clarify. but, ana, paul ryan wasted no time, seizing on those comments. good strategy? >> look, you know, i love joe biden. i don't know how every republican in america doesn't love joe biden. he is a great guy. he's fun. he is the gift that keeps on giving. i miss joe biden. we hadn't heard a gaffe from good old joe in about two or three weeks. it really had been a long...
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vo: why won't romney level with us about his tax plan, which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks? because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... w could we ever trust him here? then you may be looking for help in choosing the right plan for your needs. so don't wait. call now. whever your health coverage needs, unitedhealthcare can help you find the right plan. open enrollment to choose your medicare coverage begins october 15th and ends december 7th. so now is the best time to review your options and enroll in a plan. medicare has two main parts, parts a and b, to help cover a lot of your expenses, like hospital care... and doctor visits. but they still won't cover all of your costs. now's the time to learn about unitedhealthcare plans that may be right for you. are you looking for something nice and easy? like a single plan that combines medicare parts a & b with prescription drug coverage? a medicare advantage plan can give you doctor, hospital and prescription drug coverage all i
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nobody knows what their tax rate will be. so companies who can put off hiring are putting it off. >> if you were to advise the romney camp because they're counting on stumping on the bad economy, bad job growth, all of that, what would you advise them right now? would they need to recraft their message? stay away from it? how do they capitalize on their message and at the same time, not contradict what the latest numbers and indicators are saying? >> well, mitt romney is right when he says the economy is not recovering enough, but i think he's got a problem which is that when people sort of intuitively feel things getting better and they hear a candidate who keeps saying things are not getting better. things are not getting better fast enough. he comes off as a gloomy gus. so i think the best thing romney can probably do is we know he's going to continue telling us what's wrong with the economy. he's generally right about that. he should start talking about some of the positive proactive things he plans to do to really reinvi
nobody knows what their tax rate will be. so companies who can put off hiring are putting it off. >> if you were to advise the romney camp because they're counting on stumping on the bad economy, bad job growth, all of that, what would you advise them right now? would they need to recraft their message? stay away from it? how do they capitalize on their message and at the same time, not contradict what the latest numbers and indicators are saying? >> well, mitt romney is right when...
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vo: why won't romney level with us about his tax plan, which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks? because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? >>> less than a month away now before election day. and how can we forget political ads, they remind us each and evy hour on the hour what is happening now. with barack obama and mitt romney had to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to define themselves for us while, of course, vilifying the other. that's why when i draw your attention to this documentary, that airs tomorrow night, on pbs, it is from the folks who bring us front line. here is just a preview. >> i got my start as a community organizer. >> i know how the private sector works. i know how jobs come. i know how they go. >> for years, these two men have been telling us their stories. >> he keeps a lot of his views to himself. >> he knows that every step he takes is a potential land mine. >> people have great respect for obama and will still say
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lucky enough to have them, my view is if you're making $200,000 a year and less, you should pay no tax whatsoever on interest, dividends or capital gains. -- in this country associated with agricultural exports. over the last four years, the president has signed no new trade agreements with any nation around the world. even as china and european nations have put together some 44 different agreements, he's done none. what i'm going to do is make sure that i devote my time to getting trade promotion authority, that i use that authority to negotiate new deals so we open up new markets for american farms an american goods because we can compete on a level playing field with anyone in the world. now there are differences on regulations by the way. and you know this. the regulatory burden under this administration has gone crazy. the president's regulations as it relates to farming are kind of interesting. one is the epa tried to get into -- well, the government tried to get into regulating rainwater in ditches on farms. it used to be that there was rainwater in iowa and people cared about t
lucky enough to have them, my view is if you're making $200,000 a year and less, you should pay no tax whatsoever on interest, dividends or capital gains. -- in this country associated with agricultural exports. over the last four years, the president has signed no new trade agreements with any nation around the world. even as china and european nations have put together some 44 different agreements, he's done none. what i'm going to do is make sure that i devote my time to getting trade...
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struggling over the last four years or that he wants to raise the obama administration wants to raise taxes by over a trillion dollars. this is the joe biden we want. joe biden has to be careful about going too hard at paul ryan because of just that, because of the gaffes and because he can look over bearing, and paul, a lot is riding on paul ryan, and we want to keep that momentum going from that first debate, and he has to be careful not to get into the weeds of some of these policies. >> i know. he tends to be quite wonkish at times and people listen and say what? >> well, that's right. it is important that ryan stick with the big picture and go after biden on the rising debt and our sky rocketed unemployment and talk about the failed last four years as opposed to being trying to get trapped in some of the bieden spiderwebs that he will try to weave. >> it appears that joe biden is really taking this seriously because the democrats don't want to repeat of the first debate, right? joe biden apparently has taken six days off and practicing, practicing, practicing, especially with zingers.
struggling over the last four years or that he wants to raise the obama administration wants to raise taxes by over a trillion dollars. this is the joe biden we want. joe biden has to be careful about going too hard at paul ryan because of just that, because of the gaffes and because he can look over bearing, and paul, a lot is riding on paul ryan, and we want to keep that momentum going from that first debate, and he has to be careful not to get into the weeds of some of these policies....